Wednesday, November 4, 2015

The EU labels products from settlements pt. 2


Occupied from who? When was there ever a state of Palestine from which these lands were occupied from? There was one big slab of land called the British Mandate of Palestine. Since 1947 there have been a series of wars which resulted in territorial changes. What right do the Europeans have to select an arbitrary point in history, and declare all Israeli activity beyond that point "illegal"?

***Yawn*** Please do me a favor and enjoy your life to the fullest humanely possible but layoff the drugs.
   
    
So when did the land become Arab? Name a single law or treaty that gives them that land. Bet you can't and won't even try

law? treaty? What are you smoking. Land ownership is determent who has a deed to it. Arabs have deeds, Jews have guns. It's called might is right. It's not Jewish values but it is Zionist values.

Arabs do not have deeds, liar. Mos Arabs rented, and Jews owned land, and bought more land.
Only the Arabs use "might is right." The only claims Arabs had to the land is that they controlled it. They no longer control it.


Jews have deeds to you liar. The early Zionists purchased vast amounts of land legally from the Arabs... that is until the Arabs started murdering anyone who sells to Jews. I don't know why you persist in supporting these violent and immoral people.

We are talking about land post 67. Go buy a clue. I support peace and justice. Stealing land is hardly the way to go to achieving that.


Yes, everyone talks about post '67, as if things were rosy before then. Clue: they weren't. The Arabs have been intent on eliminating the Jewish presence in the Middle East since the 1920s at least. They tried to destroy a nascent Israeli state in 1948. Borders were never established after each war concluded. Then Israel decisively won the 1967 war. Do you think muslim attitudes towards Israel magically changed after 1967? They didn't! They still intend to destroy Israel. That mean nothing to you? There is no difference to pre-67 and post-67, so it makes no sense for you to continually refer to 1967 as if it holds some special significance... If you did some research and used that tiny brain of yours, you'd realise that when Jordan signed a peace treaty with Israel, they effectively gave up all claims to the land that Israel captured in 67. They did not ask for it back. This actually gives MORE credibility to Israeli sovereignty in post-67 areas.

Liar - they do not. Try again. And yes moron territorial claims are based upon laws and treaties - you sure are stupid


When one has run out of arguments, one resorts to personal attacks. Congratulations.

Arguments? You call spouting delusions as argument? Read the article Einstein. The EU considers the land as OCCUPIED and not part of Israel. Can I make it any clearer?


Yes, DUH!! And I am saying that they are not qualified to make such a judgement. They simply decided amongst themselves what Israel's borders are, despite the fact that Israel is the first sovereign nations to "occupy" those contentious lands. The Europeans are intent on gifting that land to the Palestinians, even though "Palestine" was divided up in 1947 and 77% of that land became Jordan.


The EU wants no part of war crimes. By accepting items from the occupied territories they will be involved in war criminal activities in enriching the criminals. There are laws against knowingly buying and selling items known to be the result of criminal activity. DUH!!

And they have no authority to do so.


Such is the catholic brain, and I use the term loosely.



Arabs in West Bank/Gaza have no right to Israeli citizenship. Also, Israel doesn't control that many Arabs, so what you are complaining about?

You have a right to be clueless.

What I said is correct. Deal with it.

Israel has no right to deny Palestinian the right to citizenship. They are the natives. Indians have citizenship in America and South America? Maori's have citizenship in New Zealand? Aboriginals have citizenship in Australia? Why the Jews can't extend this right to the non-Jewish inhabitants? Or let them be free for the love of Moses!!!

Of course they do. Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza have no right at all to citizenship in the Jewish state.
Jews language/religion/culture are indigenous to the land, and no other. Jews are the genetic and cultural descendants of the actual people who lived in the land in antiquity. So Jews, not Arabs, are the natives of the land called Palestine.
Arab culture, language, religion are foreign to the land and there is no evidence the vast majority of Arabs who call themselves Palestinian have any deep roots in the land.
The ancestral Jewish homeland was partitioned to give Jews' self-determination. Arabs have no right to deny Jews their self-determination.

He's complaining because he hates the idea of Jews living in Judea.

I love Jews living in Judea and Jewtopia. Just keep it real. Starting with the fact the Torah does not replace a deed to ownership of land. Can we agree on that?

           RAS PUTIN  Joe420k  an hour ago
Nope, no deal.

Judea is simply a geographical name for the land where Jews lived (thousands of years before Islam, I might add). It has nothing to do with Torah, it's simple geography and anthropology. No one disputes that Arabs came from Arabia. Likewise, Jews are from Judea and have every right to live there.

Sorry. You seem detached from reality. Judea is a biblical term in every sense of the word. It has no meaning outside of the Torah.

It's an ancient term that describes a known geographical location. What part about that do you have trouble understanding?

Joe420k  Jethro Cohen 
An ancient term that came from where? It is nowhere to be found but in the Torah. No Torah, No Judea. What part of that don't you understand?

GFY

The European opposition to the Russian annexation of Crimea lasted about...1 week? But they remain unwilling to recognize Israeli authority in areas they have had full control of for nearly 50 years! And the opposition remains just as strong as ever. Wonder why the hypocrisy? The EU is just the UN all over again.
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In Crimea they had a thing called an election. The referendum to join Russia passed overwhelmingly. No surprise as the majority are Russian speakers. Israel needs to have a similar referendum in the West Bank and let them vote on, to join Israel, Jordan, or to be independent? Who in their right mind can find fault in having people vote? Let everyone in the West Bank vote, including settlers and let us see what the majority wants? That is not going to happen because freedom of choice is afforded only to the chosen.

You are an actual id1ot. I'm surprised you even bothered to mention that sham election. Maybe if the election happened BEFORE the Russian invasion, the outcome may have been more believable. But to hold a sham election after invading... Let's just say that's a very Russian way of dealing with things.

The Russians are experiencing economic sanctions because of their actions in Crimea.

Yes. I can tell by the all the actions of Putin to the "non war" in the Ukraine as well as the EU "non reaction." Oh and don't forget Putin's new adventures in what was once "Syria..."

Notice their grave distress

I read the article and noticed Hotovely's grave distress.


I noticed something else. She is a young woman with possibly a great political future. Polish catholics see things differently from the rest of us, Dog.

Do you think for one minute the Russians give a darn about the sactions? Will that make them leave Crimea? Will it? No, of course it won't. It's all about money and power. Might makes right. The Russians know that sanctions are meaningless when Western Europe needs their gas and their oil. Maybe Israel needs to take a page out of Russia's playbook, and stop caring what everyone else thinks, and do what is right for themselves.

Exactly... time to MAN UP.

Ah but Iran has the gas reserves, Egypt just discovered a very large field, Cypriots (unlike Israel) have cleared the way for their production and if the mess in Libya can be brought under control. Russian will never get the leverage it once had again. 'Begging us' to use the infrastructure Russian co's have spent billions putting in place in the 'end'.

Don't underestimate how dangerous Putin is. He is a man of limitless ambition. If he finds himself hamstrung like that, he is not one to bow out gracefully. I do not know how he will react, but given his reputation, violence and bloodshed are going to be the likely result.


Given the oligarchy behind him looking for who 'follows' it's likely to be his end, in one 'form' or another.

The difference is that Russia made the annexation formal. We don't.

So, is it time to get rid of Bibi and replace him with someone who is a lot tougher and crueler? The Muzzies have had it to good for to long.
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No, it's time for the 'very' right wing to stop doing our enemies' jobs for them by constantly attacking Israel's elected government.

I guess Israel could just relabel their settlement products as "Made in Palestine with genuine Palestinian Labor" but the Hebrew and Arabic with a kosher seal looks funny to me.

New elections may be just what we need. Things have not been going well.

We just had elections.
People need to go to sleep for several years if they can't stand reading the news or knowing what's going on.

Too many Palestinian knife attacks for that yet.

It's time to annex Elana. That's cannot last longer.

No, it's time for people to stop acting like the PM must be the messiah this split second or they will go stark raving mad.

Nobody says that he is not the Messaih, he should act as if he was.

He's not the messiah and it's not his job to act as if he thinks he is the messiah.
The 'very' right wing needs to stop being something else that Israel has to survive.
It's not fair - we have enough challenges facing us already.

Since when have we ever stopped sticking our noses into everybody's business? I doubt the right has a monopoly on yente.

How do you know that he is not the Messiah?

So far as I can tell he hasn't parted Iran like the Red Sea or split the earth to swallow Palestinian knife attackers but hey, maybe Mashiach wouldn't do that anyways?

Because he doesn't have the fangs or the claws.

Dont need a messiah, just a leader.

Actually that is what a Messiah is, a leader. The one who save the Jewish People.

We need a new 'very' right wing that doesn't give Israel more problems when we already have enough.
Right. That will happen just as soon as we have a single united orthodoxy under Mashiach.

When the time comes, we will know.
The world will flip on its head and realize what bozons they've been all these thousands of years.
This hasn't happened yet - nowhere close.

Bozons? Aren't they little monkeys that imitate subatomic particles? ^o^

It's a software engineer's version of calling someone a "bozo," I think.

You have no business with "wings" unless you're a bird.

I prefer mine with garlic butter myself.

I like mine hot. :)

Hey..

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