Sunday, October 18, 2015

Meeting between Netanyahu and Kerry - a worthless exercise.



Prime Minister Netanyahu will not offer any concessions to the Palestinians during his scheduled meeting in Berlin later this week with US Secretary of State John Kerry, a senior official in the Prime Minister’s Office said Sunday night.

Rather, the official said, he will demand that the Palestinians stop the incitement that is fueling the terrorism.

Kerry confirmed Sunday that he is scheduled to meet Netanyahu later this week in Berlin, and then Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Jordan’s King Abdullah II in the region. The meeting with Netanyahu is slated for Thursday, if the security situation allows the premier and some of his top ministers to travel to Berlin on Wednesday for an already once-postponed government-to-government German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

There are unconfirmed reports that Kerry’s meeting with Abbas will take place on Saturday in Amman.

Israel is not the problem at the Temple Mount, but rather the solution, Netanyahu said at Sunday morning’s cabinet meeting, rebuffing a French proposal to place international observers on the holy site.

“We are preserving the status quo,” he said. “We are the only ones doing that, and will continue to do this responsibly and seriously.”

He reiterated what he has been saying for weeks, that there has not been any change in the orders of prayer or the visiting rights on the Temple Mount. The only change in the status quo has been efforts organized by the Islamic Movement in Israel and other “outside forces” to bring explosives into the mosques on the site and “attack Jews from them,” he said.

This is the change in the status quo that has caused all the events there over the last year, he added.

Netanyahu said that Israel rejects the French proposal put forward at the UN Security Council, and pointed out that it did not mention Palestinian incitement or terrorism.

There is, however, a call in the proposal to “internationalize the holy sites.”

Netanyahu said that everyone has seen what happens to holy sites in the Middle East, “what happened in Palmyra [Syria], what happened in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere where Muslim extremists destroy each other’s mosques, to say nothing about Christian, Jewish and heritage sites.”

The prime minister said that Israel is acting in an aggressive and systematic manner against the wave of terrorism through the reinforcement of security forces, and taking both deterrent and punitive steps.

“Today we will begin taking steps against incitement, including against the Islamic Movement, which is the foremost inciter,” he said, adding that Israel will take action against that group’s source of funding.

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    All true. Israel has protected religious sites. Muslims in other countries have destroyed them. Israel has protected religious minorities from harm. Religious minorities in Islamic countries face dire circumstance all across the Middle East. Israel is not the Taliban, ISIS or Hamas. Having said that, Israel should have a higher standard to follow than those groups. The "light unto nations" should be more than a slogan. Israel is needed to defend the religious sites in the holy land, which is an immense burden and responsibility. Why not be the truly first democratic state - no green line, yellow plates or blue plates - but a land that is truly different than anything that part of the world has known - secular, democratic and the rule of law applies to all equally? The IDF will have a higher mission than maintaining the occupation. It will be the defender of all religious, sites, all religious groups, all citizens of the state of Israel? Not going to fly? Too many can't see beyond their tribal blinders? Headline of this article is nonsensical. What does concessions mean? Already a one state exists. To concede this fact is heresy? To concede the occupation exists is heresy? To concede the Palestinians are natives worthy to exist here is heresy? To concede these natives have innate rights is heresy? The majority of people don't have a problem with the "Jewish state". They have a problem with the apartheid regime that denies the non-Jews an equal place in this state.




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        You are factually incorrect. Multiple public opinion polls have shown that the majority of Palestinians in the area DO in fact "have a problem with 'the Jewish state" and do NOT accept its existence. Unfortunately, Palestinians - and most all other Arabs in the Mid-East - are brought up being taught to be anti-Semitic, hating Jews and any country that genuinely accepts them or which allows them to thrive - such as Israel. It IS a religious hatred, no matter what you may hear to the contrary.




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            Here is what I saw after Oslo was signed. The same soldiers who were breaking bones of young Palestinians for throwing stones saw the same kids after Oslo handing them olive branch. Look it up, it happened. The hatred you see and the violence you see is fueled by injustices not blind hatred of Jews. There will be some who hate for the sake of hate - true of all cultures. In America, after segregation ended and civil rights laws were passed, not all Whites suddenly started accepting or liking blacks. To this day racists still exist but you wouldn't argue ending segregation was wrong or would you?




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                I repeat - FACTUALLY you are wrong regarding Palestinian and Arabic (as well as Iranian Persian) hatred of Jews - and that anti-Semitism being the primary source of their anti-Israeli existential belief system. It is not a matter of opinion.
                Regarding the rest of your comment, FACTUALLY and OBJECTIVELY there is little to nothing in common between American anti-Black racism and negative Israeli attitudes towards Palestinians and Arabs.




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                    If you are into facts and so objective tell me how many Palestinian-Americans killed Jews in America?




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                        Pally-Americans are mostly Christian and ran away from Arab Muslim oppression, like land theft by PLO Muslims of Christians in Bethlehem.
                        Pallys by themselves are not bad people. Get them in the region, under influence of their leaders and access to weapons and they are violent and racist.
                        Why aren't israeli-Arabs killing Jews in the streets? a few are but most do not, so it boils down to Pallys themselves, in this region, under the influence of Hamas and PLO, with funding help from Iran.




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                  To suggest that there is an "apartheid regime" in Israel is heresy!
                  Some of what you have written has substance, but to finish with that kind of nonsense de-legitimises every other point you make.




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                      There is an apartheid regime. There are blue plates and yellow plates. There are those with rights across the wall and those without. A Jew can move about anywhere without checkpoints but Arabs must pass through them. It would take too long to point out all the differences between Jewish and Arab rights. To deny such facts puts you in the flat earth society.




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                          So....there is racism between NY and NJ due to license plates?
                          Your post indicates a political divide not a racial one, especially since Israeli Arabs drives yellow plate cars.
                          If you;re focusing on the West Bank only, then yes - Jews, who are not wholesale killing Jews, or even Arabs, are not subjected to the same restrictions as Arabs, who are collectively responsible for many attacks on Jews and Israeli Arabs, with intent to kill, through rock attacks, drive by shootings, and explosives.
                          In 2000, cafes and pizza shops were blown up by Arabs. How many Arab cafes and pizza shops blown up by Jews? Zero.
                          How many attacks by Arabs on Jews in a current day? 135 on average!
                          What does the Pally terrorists say about checkpoints? It blocks their movement to get inside Israel and launch attacks. They communicate with each other to see where they are, then send other terrorists to less secure areas.
                          What you claim is apartheid is actually self-defense as admitted by Arabs themselves.




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                              NY and NJ are two separate states. Hence separate license plates. Bad comparison on your part. Unless you want to argue two states exist in Palestine and Israel my example stands valid on the license plates. Of course I'm talking about the occupied West Bank. Basically, you are saying that the West Bank Arabs are savages and deserve military rule but those across the green line are not and can have more rights ? I'm not here to defend violence of years past or today but offering a way out of this cycle of hate and retaliation.




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                                It is Jewish land. The Arabs are guests. And they are notorious for killing and violence. Which Arab country would you like to live in? The one where your sister gets stoned to death for being raped by your uncle?
                                It is impossible for 6 Million Jews to Impose an African Apartheid on 330 Million Arabs.
                                World Christian Population: 2.2 Billion = 31.5%
                                World Muslim Population: 1.6 Billion = 23.2% ( 339.9 Million Arab Population )
                                World Jewish Population: 13 Million = .2% (6 Million in Israel, the one and only Jewish Majority Homeland)




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                                    Land is made mostly of dirt and has no religious affiliation. If the people walking on this dirt have fancy ideas about who should be allowed on it and who should have rights, let it be known for what it is, bigotry. I argue Israel can do better than that.




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                                        Jews are a people whom are indigenous to the land of Israel. Some people want to call it "Palestine." It is propaganda. Arabs are from Arabia. Islam is a religion and a conquering organization.




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                                            You are deluded beyond any hope. "Some people want to call it Palestine"? How about more countries recognize Palestine than Israel at the UN? The total population of people of those nations that recognize Palestine is 5.5 billion. You know math, right? So 5.5 billion of 7.3 billion comes to "some people want to call it Palestine"? I think not.




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                                                How many recognize Palestine through anything more credible or meaningful than a non-binding political vote in the UNGA? Not many, if investment is our litmus test.




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                                                    Just type it in Google Maps. :) Funny thing, is if you type "Palestine" it doesn't say "Palestine." It still takes you to Israel.
                                                    The State of Palestine, also known simply as Palestine, is a partially recognized proto-state in the Middle East. Its independence was declared on 15 November 1988 by the Palestine Liberation Organization in Algiers as a government-in-exile.




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                                                        With regard to the PA and potentially impending statehood:
                                                        When was it founded and by whom?
                                                        What were its borders?
                                                        What was its capital?
                                                        What were its major cities?
                                                        What constituted the basis of its economy?
                                                        What was its form of government?
                                                        Can you name at least one “elected” Palestinian leader before Arafat?
                                                        Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
                                                        What was the language of the country of Palestine?
                                                        What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
                                                        What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against; the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese Yuan on that date.
                                                        What artifacts have they left behind?
                                                        Do you know of a library where one could find a work of Palestinian literature produced before 1967?
                                                        And, finally, since there is no such country today, whatcaused its demise and when did it occur?

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                                                            Hamas Minister Admits: “Who are Palestinians? Palestinians don’t come from Palestine.”
                                                            https://themuslimissue.wordpre...




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                                                                I commend you thirst for knowledge and coming to an Israeli website is a good way to get a clear view of the situation, without the common antisemitic bullshit, that is very popular elsewhere.
                                                                The first thing about wanting to learn, is to ask questions and listen. If you just state your opinions, you may miss out on the facts.
                                                                Here is a good video for you to watch to learn about some myths vs. facts.
                                                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?...




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                                                        The Arabs have a problem with JEWS!!!!!!!!!
                                                        If you don't see this, you are blind.




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                                                            I don't know how to tell you this but who gives a shyt?
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                                                          It is well beyond time that the paradigm changes. Each and every so called "occupation" grievance is 105% the occupying Arabs own fault. They are the ones who refused a state in 1947. They are the ones who have been instigating violence ever since. They refuse to accept that the land of Israel is the aboriginal homeland of the Jewish people. If they instigate violence, they can only expect violence and repression and caging in back. There is and never should be any Palestine, there are no Palestinians, a figment of a Roman imposition of a name for so-called Judea province in AD 76. These Arabs, a polyglot of Jordanians, Egyptians Syrians and Lebanese, if they are unhappy with their lot need to go home to their respective home countries, where i am sure they will be welcomed home by their brethren!
                                                          The vile, vicious, evil, supremacist cult that is Islam needs to be expunged from the world. Their vile book exposing death to the Jewish people is an affront to civilised humanity. If they want to espouse that belief and attempt genocide, then they need to know, that they are likely to be the first victims of said genocide well before they have any effect on the Jewish people, who ante date them on this planet by 3000 years plus!!




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                                                              These Jews, a polyglot of European, American, Australian, Russian, Ukranian, Egyptians Moroccan and Iraqi, if they are unhappy with their lot need to go home to their respective home countries, where i am sure they will be welcomed home by their brethren! Let me ask you one question, What is the percentage of Palestinians and Jews who have a second passport ? Let me help you, the majority of Jews do have them or are able to get them. Aboriginals don't have such luxury. The Palestinian number is most likely in the single digits. For one, if they could leave they would have to escape persecution, oppression and wars.

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