Friday, October 23, 2015

Caught on tape life under military occupation













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      Occupation is a ugly business that has corrupted Israel morally to the point of no return. This incident is a microcosm of life under military rule. No if's, or what about it! The bigger crime here is the IDF being in Ramallah. What are they doing there 50 years later still stomping the iron boot on the natives head? I guess it's time to "mow the lawn again". It's time to show them "the landlord is crazy". Seriously, the moral depravity of such an enterprise as ruling over another people by force will continue to eat away at what is left of Israel's moral fiber( some will argue it's too late already). To listen to right wingers, they will be more upset at the JPOST for posting this video than over it's content. It's not like Palestinians need anyone to incite them or lack reasons to want to exact revenge on their oppressors and occupiers. Israel needs to find a solution in dealing with the natives that doesn't involve a boot to the head or bulldozer or F-16's or tank. This is pure madness. Shalom!


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          Soldiers defending Israel from islamic cult, not from "natives". This BS must be stopped right now.


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              Again the fictive occupation.
              Treaty of Peace 1994


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                  Joe, which Indian tribe was occupying the city you're now living in ? You certainly have less right to it than Jews to Judea.


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                      The Indians are free and equal citizens today and have been for over a century - even those in the reservations who choose to maintain some sovereignty. We can have an Indian president. Don't make ridiculous arguments. The issue is the occupation - which in essence is a way to deny people innate rights. This guy who got his head stomped had it happened here in the states, would hire a Jewish lawyer and most likely be compensated for his pain and suffering. The officers would be fired and prosecuted and be put in jail. If he had stomped on the head of a black guy, maybe riots would follow. Here, nothing will happen, it will be whitewashed as business as usual. It is beyond disgusting and even more disgusting to see American Jews on this site who would be the first to protest such an injustice had it happened in the states no matter the religious or ethnic make up of the victim magically put on their tribal blinders on here and justify such an action when Jews are the perpetrators. Gotta love the homo-sapiens.


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                          So after you killed 95% of them, and took 99% of their land, they're suddenly free ? And what would happen if they wanted their land back and started stabbing whiteys ? I love hypocrisy.


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                              Didn't the Jews get slaughtered in the Holocaust by the Germans and today Germany is Israel's best European ally? Shyt happens! We can't undo history but we strive to make a better future. Jews did it with the Germans but because of greed and land, unable to close the deal with the natives? Oh wait, I didn't get the memo, the Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust, according to your PM.


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                                  If you didn't just inflate the statements -or fail to read them for yourself instead of filtering all your news through Arab media sources - you would know that what was said was that the Mufti 'provided input and support for' the idea of the Final Solution for the Jewish people. But then, you would rather support the barbarities of the Arabs than learn the truth, wouldn't you?


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                                      Wrong. I listened to Netanyahu speech word for word. No translation needed as the Hebrew king was speaking in perfect English - almost like he lived there all his life. He said and I quote: "Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.'
                                      'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"
                                      He absolved Hitler because Mr Nice Guy only wanted to expel the Jews not annihilate them.
                                      WOW! Speaking of incitement, to blame the Holocaust on Palestinians is the mother of all incitements. It is a blood libel in the highest order.


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                                        The shyt happens remark is not about the Holocaust but about Israel's close ties with Germany. How even after the immense tragedy it found a way to get beyond it. - of course cash didn't hurt and a few nuclear submarines Israel could use.


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                                      But surely that doesnt make your position any more defensible based on the wrongs of the past?


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                                          We are the Indian tribes coming to take back our homeland. FYI, the Romans never heard of 'West Bank', but they certainly knew Judea and Samaria.


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                                              Welcome back. Now put the gun down. You are aware this is 2015? Not 2015 B.C?


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                                                  We'll put our gun down when we can be safe in our land (the size of NJ). Arabs can have the rest of the middle-east.


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                                                      The Indians had many different tribes. You only saw Indians but there was a dozen different tribes who each saw a particular land as their own territory - their own space. To deny the distinct identity of the Palestinian tribe to rationalize your colonial aims puts you in the camp of Hamas that denies Jewish claims. In fact, it puts you in the camp of the Holocaust deniers. You need to deal with the natives based on facts and realities not wishful thinking. They are here. Deal with it - and deal with it humanely and justly. Too much to ask? If yes, say hello to ISIS,HAMAS,HIZBULLAH,IRAN and may the best tribe win. All I can say is, thank God I'm an American!!!! You can have that dirt patch. No desert is blooming. The last I saw the Negev is still a desert. It's no man's land even though it's twice the size of the West Bank, no settlements going up in the Negev. The land of milk and honey is drenched with blood, lies, and delusions.


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                                                      But hold on a moment in your comment above you intimated that Joe has less right to have his opinion based on the apparent occupation of a city many hundreds of years ago by this forefathers?
                                                      So how on earth does that make the beating of this Palestinian more palatable?
                                                      Straws....clutching............anyone?


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                                                          I know lefties like you like hypocrisy. Like Mao, killing millions for 'communism', while living in grand villas.


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                                                              Err now i think you need a lie down in a dark room with an aspirin.
                                                              How can you work out someone's political inclinations based on condemnation of a barbaric act?


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                                                                  Well, lefties are the biggest hypocrites. So maybe you're just an antisemitic hypocrite. Sorry.


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                                                                      Apology not needed.
                                                                      Your Paranoia is amongst the most acute i have encountered.
                                                                      Please pass on my sincere best wishes to your Psychiatrist in effecting a speedy treatment.


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                                                                          It is futile to reach fanatics who created a world entirely detached from facts and reality. I'm Palestinian and get people here tell me, "no your not" and proceed to explain how I'm not who I say I'am because something to do with the Romans 2,000 years ago and it goes downhill from there? How does one respond to someone who claims to know your own history and identity better than yourself? A head trip to say the least.


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                                                                              Before 1967 , what were your people? Before Arafat coined the term, what group did your family belong to? The area was populated by Arabs, Jews and Christians, scattered widely, but a total population, in 1900, of about 300K. All of them identified as 'Palestinians' merely for the area they resided in, but they still considered themselves Arabs, Christian and Jews. When the Mandate was created in 1918, the Arabs started terrorist actions against everyone in the area, and when the British started restricting Jewish immigration (but not Arabic), the Jews started attacking British military sites. The simple fact is that, if you want to claim the land as Muslim, you can say that yes, Arabs lived in the lands, but then you are also denying that Jews and Christians lived there too. In fact, today your Arab areas of Gaza and the West Bank areas controlled exclusively by the PA have almost completely succeeded in ethnically cleansing. There are so few Christians and no other groups of significance in ANY Arab-country or controlled area. YOU are the ones committing ethnic cleansing and YOU are the ones guilty of atrocities.But then, any good follower of Goebbels knows that you have to blame the victim for all the bad things you do, for proper propaganda stages.
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                                                                                My family history goes back 500 years living in Ramallah without interruption. They came from the East Bank. Go read something other than your hasbara manuals. Here is wiki for you: Modern Ramallah was founded in the mid-1500s by the Haddadins, a clan of brothers descended from Ghassanid Christians. The Haddadins, and their leader Rashid El-Haddadin, arrived from east of the Jordan River from the areas of Karak and Shoubak.[12] The Haddadin migration is attributed to fighting and unrest among clans in that area.
                                                                                Rashid and his brothers were Blacksmiths. The Haddadin name comes from the old (Aramaicܚܕܕ or ܚܕܐܕ ) word Haddad, which translates to Blacksmith.
                                                                                Haddadin was attracted to the mountainous site of Ramallah because it was similar to the other mountainous areas he came from, as well as being a heavily forested area which could supply him with plenty of fuel for his forges.[12]"
                                                                                Now WTF does Arafat, 1967, or any of your B.S have to do with the fact we lived as Palestinians for over 500 years in what is today an occupied territory - a prison camp? Anyway, I give up. Most here are deluded beyond any hope. The good news is I know many good Jews who live on planet earth - not planet Zion. Those who get drunk on the kool-aid will fit right in this neighborhood. One day they will wake up from their long stupor and say "we have met the enemy and he is us". Assuming it's not too late, that's a BIG if.

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